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Post by auntym on Mar 11, 2011 22:53:29 GMT -6
Morgan, you ask, what has changed that the USG might be trying to get active control of an organization like MUFON. thing is, we here in the UFO community, we tend to focus on what is happening to us, what we can see of the UFO "situation." What we forget is there is a huge reality that we don't see. the ETs, whoever they are, are a driven people. They are relentless, seeming to be constantly pushing their agenda forward. We see only a tiny part of it, but I anyway, get this feeling of relentlessness, pushing, pushing, working toward whatever it is they want here. We HAVE to assume the situation is dynamic. To us, it can look more static, years go by, UFOs are seen in the sky, people get abducted. It looks like it just going on and on in the same manner. But I don't think so. And what if the pressure was building behind the scenes in ways we can't see. Cause to some extent, we can see it. We can see the ETs speaking out. At one time you didn't hear them directly. All you heard was them THROUGH the abductees. Now we hear their voice on, say, Zetatalk, just one example. And what do we hear? We hear them say, We want to live among you, but your government has got to go. Yeah, I know about the supposed catastrophies. Who doesn't? But what I head is the political message: Your govt has got to go. To me, they're moving in, trying to isolate, trap, discredit the government. Obviously, the govt is hearing the same thing. that is interesting....i'm going to have to check out Zetatalk....thanks elaine
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 22:56:10 GMT -6
Morgan, you ask if the members of MUFON could just "disown" the Board. In principle, yes. So far, the grip of the Board on the mind of the members is secure. We suggested to Colorado MUFON that they "elect" their own state director. They just stared at us. This was after MUFON fired the SD of Colorado, a 41 year member of MUFON, head of a very successful chapter (Colorado). Off with her head! We raised a stick about it, but the members did nothing. We figured that for the members it was too much trouble and kind of scary to oppose someone (the Director of MUFON) who acts like he has some kind of authority over you. Now what I described about Colorado's reaction to the injustice perpetrated against their chapter does not sound encouraging. But--we are still trying.
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 23:00:48 GMT -6
Morgan, you say where would I like to see MUFON spend it's money? On recruiting membership and on publishing every shred of information that comes through their system.
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Post by auntym on Mar 11, 2011 23:01:04 GMT -6
elaine we enjoyed having you chat with us ... it has been a real pleasure....please come back & chat with us when your busy schedule permits..... auntym
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 23:01:38 GMT -6
Morgan, you ask if the members of MUFON could just "disown" the Board. In principle, yes. So far, the grip of the Board on the mind of the members is secure. We suggested to Colorado MUFON that they "elect" their own state director. They just stared at us. This was after MUFON fired the SD of Colorado, a 41 year member of MUFON, head of a very successful chapter (Colorado). Off with her head! We raised a stick about it, but the members did nothing. We figured that for the members it was too much trouble and kind of scary to oppose someone (the Director of MUFON) who acts like he has some kind of authority over you. Now what I described about Colorado's reaction to the injustice perpetrated against their chapter does not sound encouraging. But--we are still trying. I think the idea of an uprising against the establishment is pretty unfamiliar territory to a lot of people, especially in todays overlly dependent society. That is probably especially true since most of the MUFON members are people who voluntarily joined the organization because they wanted to be there. The younger members probably don't see the same problems that somebody who has been there for several decades would see. They just don't understand how things have changed over the years.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 23:02:55 GMT -6
elaine we enjoyed having you chat with us ... it has been a real pleasure....please come back & chat with us when your busy schedule permits..... auntym Are you booting her out, Auntym? ;D
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 23:04:48 GMT -6
Morgan, you say where would I like to see MUFON spend it's money? On recruiting membership and on publishing every shred of information that comes through their system. I agree totally with this. That information should be made available to the public. That is the entire reason why MUFON even exists, at least in my opinion.
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Post by auntym on Mar 11, 2011 23:05:29 GMT -6
elaine we enjoyed having you chat with us ... it has been a real pleasure....please come back & chat with us when your busy schedule permits..... auntym Are you booting her out, Auntym? ;D o'god....noooo, i've got to go....i loved chatting with you elaine...i hope to chat with you again soon....
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 23:10:20 GMT -6
MDaisy, you say "Volunteers are not paid." We have to consider to what extent people are "paid" by the doing of the job, and I'm pointing to that whether the job includes money or not. I'm saying that to a considerable extent, if people are loving the job they will behave somewhat the same whether it is a volunteer job or a paid job. I know there are lots of variables. But what I see in MUFON is people who love the job and the organization who are behaving in many ways as tho it were a paid job and the MUFON supervisor was a real supervisor, like at work. That's what I'm seeing.
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Post by mdaisy on Mar 11, 2011 23:10:26 GMT -6
Thanks Elaine!
Nice chatting with you,
MDaisy
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 23:11:20 GMT -6
Thank you Elaine. Steve
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 23:15:43 GMT -6
If people are volunteering to do something they must care about it enough to want to continue doing it. If they put a great deal of their time, effort and emotion into doing something then they would hate to have that thing taken away from them. I can attest to that from personal experience.
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 23:17:41 GMT -6
Morgan, you make a really good point when you say "the new members don't understand how thngs have changed over the years." Part of the pattern I see is the getting rid of members--like the 4 state directors and 2 assistants recently purged--getting rid of senior people, people who are aware and not so easily led.
Morgan, thank you for asking me to be in this chat. I have never been on a computer chat before. It is really fun and goes quicker (I mean the typing) than I thought it would. Thank you very much guys, I have really enjoyed it!!
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 23:20:59 GMT -6
Thank you for stopping by, Elaine. If you ever want to do it again some time just let me know, or feel free to just drop by and make a comment at any time. You are always welcome here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2011 0:31:30 GMT -6
Too bad I missed out because I had to work... Elaine, thank you very much for joining us. I very much enjoyed reading all of your posts.
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Post by paulette on Mar 12, 2011 12:47:31 GMT -6
Maybe Elaine could have a comment thread (if she wanted to) that would be just for her - other's responses on another thread. Sorry I missed this - was at a rock club meeting.
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Post by skywalker on Mar 12, 2011 20:41:48 GMT -6
I think she is kind of busy with all of the work she is doing with the Committee and trying to reform MUFON. She had been wanting to come say hi to us for the past few weeks but never had time to do it. We had to schedule the conversation in advance just so she would be able to come on and chat for a while.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 21, 2011 13:54:49 GMT -6
Does anybody have any comments on what Elaine said? Do you think that what she is trying to do is a worthwhile goal? Is she wasting her time or do you think she actually has a chance to succeed? Do you think MUFON is even worth saving?
Personally, I think she is fighting an uphill battle because the MUFON BoD holds all of the cards. They have all of the power and influence, as well as the established reputation and infrastructure of the MUFON organization. They have major financial backing from both Bigelow and the government, and they also have several thousand members who are not only volunteering to be a part of the organization, but are actually paying to be there. Those aren't exactly the type of people who are going to be willing to rise up and rebel against the leadership. The ones who are rebelling are the ones like Elaine, who have invested several decades of their lives, as well as a huge amount of work into the organization. They don't want to see all of that time and effort go down the drain just because of ineffectual leadership. They are basically trying to keep things the way they used to be before the Board of Directors started screwing things up.
I can't help but notice the similarities between what is happening at MUFON and what happened on the Ufomania forum. I know people are probably tired of hearing me make the comparison, but what happened on the other forum is a perfect illustration of what is probably going to happen at MUFON. Let me explain my reasoning.
The members of Ufomania used to be very happy with the way the forum was. We were all volunteering our time and effort because we wanted to be there and we wanted to make the forum the best place it could possibly be. Then a new moderator took control of it and started making a bunch of changes that the people did not like. The moderators expanded their power while taking freedom and liberty away from the people. They started making decisions without giving any consideration whatsoever to what the members wanted. They started trying to force the members to change their behavior in order to suit the new direction the forum was heading in, and when the members refused to comply with their demands the moderators criticized them and put pressure on them until people got so frustrated and discouraged that they started to leave. The rest of the people complained about what was going on but the moderators refused to listen which only added more fuel to the fire. This is what eventually caused the forum to collapse.
I think this is a perfect description of what Clifford Clift and the MUFON BoD are doing now. They are following the exact same pattern as the Ufomania moderators, and they more than likely will end up with the same result. In the case of Ufomania, some of the members left and created their own forums, and most of the other members went with them. There are still a few people at Ufomania, including the original moderators, but the forum is much weaker than it was before and it is struggling to survive. As for the new forums that were created, one of them (Paraufo) no longer exists, and the other one (The Edge of Reality) is doing well but still is not as strong as Ufomania once was. Whether or not the remaining new forum or the old one survives will depend on how much effort the people are willing to put into them, as well as the decisions that the administrators make.
This is what I think will eventually happen to MUFON. I believe that many of the members will leave and create their own organizations, like the one that Ken Cherry is working on (EPIC) and the one that Chase Kloetzke went to (MABUS). Other new ones will probably be created as well. This is going to leave MUFON and the new organizations more divided and weaker than before. Whether or not they survive will also depend on how much effort the people are willing to put into them, and the decisions that their leaders make.
I really have serious doubts that the MUFON BoD is going to give in to the demands of people like Elaine and the Committee to reform MUFON. Right now the BoD has unlimited power and they are accountable to nobody but themselves. They are not going to give that power up willingly. They may even be willing to destroy the organization in order to try to maintain their own personal positions. Only the future will tell how far they are willing to go and how selfish they are willing to be. So far the situation does not look too promising.
I am not saying that Elaine should not try to reform MUFON. She obviously feels very strongly about the organization and is passionate about trying to save it. Sometimes the desire to do something is enough to make it happen, if a person is willing to put the necessary effort into it. She is putting out a lot of effort and she should be commended for the work that she has done so far. If nothing else she has at least made people more aware of the problems that exist there.
I personally think that MUFON has the potential to be a good organization. They have worthwhile goals and there are a lot of good people there who are trying to accomplish them. It is the ones at the top who are screwing everything up. That does not mean we should throw away four decades of progress and the efforts of thousands of people just because of the irresponsible actions of a few. Then again, sometimes it only takes a few to bring everything else crumbling down.
It should at least be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by auntym on Mar 23, 2011 12:03:38 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/status-report-ufos Status Report On UFOsSubmitted by Elaine Douglass on Wed, 03/23/2011 - 09:50 By Elaine Douglass Editor of JAR, the Journal of Abduction-Encounter Research Elaine Douglass has been a UFO researcher since the mid-1980s and she is a 25-year member of the Mutual UFO Network. For many years she was MUFON state director for Washington, DC and from 1998-2010 she was MUFON state director for Utah. Elaine is an editor of JAR, the Journal of Abduction-Encounter Research, a quarterly email magazine on UFO abductions (www.jarmag.com). In the 1990s she was an organizer for the group Operation Right to Know, which held street demonstrations protesting UFO secrecy. She holds a Masters Degree from MIT in military policy. Elaine lives in Utah, and she is self-employed as a marketing consultant. Additional information on Elaine is available at www.womeninufology.com. We know the US government is acquainted with the reality of UFOs since about 40 percent of sightings describe jet planes chasing the UFOs. Apart from the jets, logic leads us to the same conclusion: If regular people see UFOs, the USG does too. It appears 1947 is when the USG settled for itself the question of what UFOs are. A lot has happened since then, a lot of it behind the scenes. The USG didn’t just sit and wait after they found out extraterrestrials are here now. Neither did the ETs. I suppose we have to answer that old question—Why doesn’t the USG admit it publicly? The USG doesn’t admit it publicly because they don’t control “it.” To admit a foreign civilization is operating at will in this country would lead to a massive loss of face for the USG. How can the USG keep it a secret? is always asked. The reality and the extraterrestrial nature of the phenomenon is not a secret. The status of this information is unacknowledged. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by paulette on Mar 23, 2011 14:01:54 GMT -6
I read the whole thing and imagine that because Elaine clearly states that there ARE aliens and that they are using implants to control people and also growing hybrids that she is seen as "unscientific" as the folks on the other forum would dismiss anyone who speculates about the reality of UFOs, ETs and first-hand accounts.
Should she try? We should all try to follow our own ethics and impulse to change the world. Not succeeding is not failure. I point to the Dalhai Lama - one of the most ethical and compassionate leader I know of. And he is stepping back. Because he cannot affect change in the agenda of the Chinese. (We won't be able to either IMO but that's another thread altogether).
"Science" has always been as much about exclusion of data as finding and authenticating it. One of the all-time most renowned experts on dinosaurs - never finished university. He now has hoannably degrees and doctorates. He worked outside the box for decades - as did Jane Goodall and Diane Fossey and many others that I'm not informed enough to know about. Elaine is making her personal bias clear. So in Mufon. So did UFOmania. Love it or leave it. (or least shut up about it).
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Post by skywalker on Mar 23, 2011 18:32:22 GMT -6
You don't need a degree to be right...and just because you have one doesn't mean you can't be wrong.
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Post by auntym on Mar 29, 2011 11:07:23 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/did-you-sign-mufon-background-check-form Did YOU sign the MUFON "background check" form?Submitted by Elaine Douglass on Tue, 03/29/2011 - 11:06 The Committee to Reform MUFON is submitting this piece for consideration for publication in UFO Digest. If you want to use it, let's put this header on it: This communication was mailed March 25, 2011 to all members of the Mutual UFO Network. The analysis was conducted by the Committee to Reform MUFON for the benefit of the Members. Every effort has been made to ensure accuracy and sound judgment in this analysis. Did YOU sign the MUFON "background check" form? By the Committee to Reform MUFON at w.mcneff@att.net and edouglass@frontier.com About 3 years ago, MUFON introduced the "background check" form. It is one of two forms would-be field investigators are required to sign and turn in with the FI exam. It is our impression most Members believe the purpose of the background check for field investigators is so MUFON can identify and reject anyone who has a felony conviction. The Committee to Reform MUFON (CRM) has carefully considered the background check form and consulted with attorneys, private investigators and criminal justice experts to get their opinion on it. The results were not reassuring. "I wouldn't sign it," is what two attorneys told CRM about the MUFON background check form. Here is what the form says I understand that a thorough and complete background investigation may be conducted to determine my fitness and desirability as a MUFON Field Investigator. I understand that a background investigation is conducted by gathering and recording information about my past conduct and any criminal offenses from any and all sources that MUFON, in its sole discretion, may deem appropriate, including, but not limited to, criminal courts, other governmental files and records, and any other public record sources of information available. I hereby release from liability and agree to indemnify and hold MUFON harmless, under any and all possible causes of legal action, including negligence, for any negligent or wrongful statements, acts, or omissions made or recorded in the course of my back ground investigation. I hereby release from liability and agree to hold harmless under any and all possible causes of legal action, including negligence, any person or entity which furnishes information or opinions to MUFON as a part of my background investigation. I authorize any person or entity contacted by MUFON during the course of my background investigation to furnish any information or opinions such person or entity may have regarding myself, or my conduct, regardless of any statutory or other privilege I may have. I understand the need for confidentiality of sources and information in my background investigation, and I expressly agree that I will never attempt to obtain access to any part of the background investigation designated as confidential by MUFON. What does the background check form really mean? TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by paulette on Mar 29, 2011 11:56:49 GMT -6
Wow! I wouldn't sign it and I don't have much of a criminal record - one discharged surfing outside of boundaries when I was 16. But few people have NOTHING in their past. What it suggests to me is, that if someone takes on MUFON or needs to be "gotten rid of" or discredited that MUFON can and will dig up (or maybe even manufacture) whatever is necessary to get the job done.
I once applied for a waitress job in a truckstop. As I was wading through the papers required, there was a questionnaire about stealing. Among other questions: Have you ever stolen anything?
I was reassured that they would not bother to "use" the questionnaire by authenticating it with a POLYGRAPH test unless money went missing. Well there was that dime I picked up under the bed of my parents' motel AND KEPT. I must have been 10 at the time. And the cookie...So if money was stolen, I would be found guilty of lying about stealing. I passed on the job.
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Post by auntym on May 23, 2011 15:36:57 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/team-captain-meet-elaine-douglass-gagged-life-star-team-confidentiality-agreementTeam Captain Meet Elaine Douglass, The Gagged-for-life Star Team Confidentiality Agreement.Submitted by Team Captain on Mon, 05/23/2011 The Team Captain CNN.com/I Reports. CNN.com/I Reporter Team Captain, T. C. Assistance Charlene J. The Oracle! Reporting on: subject: Elaine Douglass, The Gagged-for-life Star Team Confidentiality Agreement.
The Gagged-for-life Star Team Confidentiality Agreement. The Gagged-for-life Star Team Confidentiality Agreement. Submitted by Elaine Douglass on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 16:26.. The following analysis has been conducted by the Committee to Reform MUFON for the benefit of the Members of MUFON. Every effort has been made to ensure accuracy and sound judgment in this analysis. The Gagged-for-life Star Team Confidentiality Agreement What follows below is the MUFON Star Team confidentiality agreement, which must be signed by all Star Team investigators, this version being the one in use as of last summer. It is an amazing document which seems to require a permanent, never-to-end secrecy of all Star Team cases—the most important cases MUFON handles. MUFON’s mission is to develop UFO information and provide that information to Members and the American people. That is what the Committee to Reform MUFON believes, and as far as we know, almost all Members of MUFON believe the same thing—every shred of case information is to be provided to the public (except witness names). Yet here we have a document which will make you wonder if the leadership of MUFON truly believes in the Mission as we understand it. The Following Conditions of Confidentiality Must be Agreed to if the Applicant Is to be considered for STAR Team Membership Any and all communication is to be directed only to the MUFON International Director or the Director of Investigations. Strict confidentiality is in force from the moment of deployment notification. Discussion of destination and travel method communications within your immediate family is acceptable. Friends, family or other are not to be informed of any Team findings. There is to be no media communication of any type, including reporters, television, radio, email, or other source or places of public discussion. All findings including but not limited to the following: measurements, photographs, video of any kind, drawings, renditions, witness testimony, hearsay evidence, writings, and conclusions, are the sole property of MUFON International. Books and letters of any kind are forbidden to be written concerning an event. All notes, reports, witness writings and findings are the exclusive property of MUFON International. Photographs, video taken by a witness remain the witness property unless surrendered to MUFON International. Physical Evidence and Media Release Forms must be signed in all cases where material and evidence is obtained from witness or other individuals. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by auntym on Jul 8, 2011 19:04:20 GMT -6
www.ufodigest.com/article/analysis-committee-reform-mufon-elaine-douglass-et-al "Analysis from The Committee to Reform MUFON" By Elaine Douglass Submitted by Elaine Douglass on Wed, 07/06/2011
"Analysis By The Committee to Reform MUFON" By Elaine Douglass & The Committee to Reform MUFON <Edited by Robert D. Morningstar> The following analysis has been conducted by the Committee to Reform MUFON for the benefit of the Members of MUFON. Every effort has been made to ensure accuracy and sound judgment in this analysis. Democracy is not an alien being in MUFON In February, the Committee to Reform MUFON (CRM) began raising these questions: Why can’t the members of MUFON vote on who is on the Board of Directors? Why do 9 people in MUFON get to appoint themselves to the Board? Why is it none of MUFON’s 2800 members has a chance of ever being on the Board? Why is it the 2800 Members of MUFON have no say in how MUFON is run? Why? And why can’t we change it? Why DON’T we change it? Why don’t we get a system where anyone who has been a member of MUFON for, say, 5 years could run for the Board and we’d all vote on those people? The candidates could present themselves and we could ask questions. Then we would all vote. Why don’t we have a democratic system like that in MUFON? As soon as CRM raised these issues, various people in MUFON responded with misleading statements. They said if MUFON changed its governing corporate document, MUFON would lose its tax exempt status and cease to be a non-profit organization. They also said changing the corporate documents would be extremely difficult and expensive. Misinforming statements Here are some examples: On Feb. 5, Terry Groff, assistant director of investigations for Texas, wrote: "MUFON is a 501(C)3 non-profit organization. Any attempt at restructuring or reformation would violate its terms and MUFON would have to give up its non-profit status." On Feb. 3, Fletcher Gray, assistant state director for Texas, wrote: "MUFON is a 501(C)3 organization doing business under the authority set down with the IRS. Changes to these guidelines could cause MUFON to lose their 501(C)3 status. The undertaking. . .would be an enormous task not to say an expensive one. Proving that the Directors of MUFON do not always have a firm grip on the truth, the following statement is attributed to Board member and Chief of Investigations Marie Malzahn in February: "This [MUFON] is a non-profit organization. . . .we must follow the federal guidelines in order to keep our non-profit status. . . " Originally, MUFON was supposed to have an elected Board. The Committee to Reform MUFON knew that these statements were not correct. We knew the organization would not lose its non-profit status if it changed the Articles of Incorporation to provide for member election of the Board of Directors, and we knew it would not be difficult. But just to be doubly sure, we consulted an attorney knowledgeable in the law of non-profit corporations. TO CONTINUE READING CLICK ON ABOVE LINK
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 3:00:13 GMT -6
As a newcomer to ufology I didn't really understand what all the animosity was about until I read this and now I understand a little bit better than I did before. This is just my opinion and please correct me if im wrong because I see this viewed from the outside looking in instead of the other way because I am so new to this still. It seems to me that what once was a somewhat grass roots organization ( for lack of better words) with good intentions seemed to go south after money and power started becoming a factor. Something else that may have been a major contributor in this may have been the truth itself and how close it has gotten / or has / proven the fact of existence of at least one other e.t. race. I can see this as being a major security issue. Just guessing,,, but something else entirely different would be black projects that high ptb dont want disclosed and there being security needs to keep those issues quiet which would be understandable. Whatever the issues are at hand, I can certainly understand the animosity that many have after so many years of dedication just to see it all go south so to speak. This was a good read and it helped to clarify some of the issues that I didnt understand before. I Wished I would've been here during this chat (Im only about a year late ) but I still want to thank Elaine for her time and wish her a Happy Birthday today !!! I hope she comes back to the forum in the future to chat again. Cliff
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Post by Steve on Mar 29, 2012 8:04:19 GMT -6
Now you understand better perhaps why I & many others resigned from mufon (or in some cases were forced out) by Marie Malzahn.
Malzahn - who decided to resurrect her own suffocating notion of a new mufon forum after they crashed their old one (as many here painfully remember) and suddenly & unexpectedly at the very same time as its new administrator became very chummy with a certain Jeff Brewer we know as JJFlash. I was urging at the time JJF not be made a moderator. See a pattern forming?
We all with any common sense or without mufon blinders on knew how persona non Grata that second of three gestation's that web page became. When their first forum was suddenly closed one .member here who would be in a position to know related a mufon officer told him as many as 1600 members may have left mufon as a result. That figure seems a bit high to me. But that was what they related. If they read this perhaps they can respectfully elaborate.
As an Assistant State Director & Chief Investigator in mufon I personally had no problem with a background check of new field investigators and reviewing old FI backgrounds as long as it related only to criminal checks or any history of sexual misconduct. Background checks were and are an excellent idea. Quietly it had been confided to me in mufon prior to this policy change several FIs had been discovered to have such backgrounds and as such you would not wish them to represent any 'organization' much less for the legal liability. Gratefully those FIs who ever they were were removed.
But what was so ominous was the new unprecedented secrecy. So much so it seemed hard to distinguish between mufon and any govt agency many felt were keeping the secrets some in mufon thought were supposed to be endeavoring to make public.
More disturbing besides the clamp on secrecy beyond the ethical concern for witnesses privacy were the new subtle amendments incorporated in the fine print on new star team applications that all case information could be shared 'with undisclosed third parities'. Who? Subtle, effective and scary. This one of a number .of reasons the organization I originally joined had changed in a very evil way and why I had to resign. Former ID Clifford Clift & current new ID Dave MacDonald maybe the visible heads of mufon, but the real power has been stolen by Marie Malzahn. I feel she intends to do her part to run mufon and any component notion of ufology investigation into the ground.
I am constantly told by witnesses of mufon cases of the constant 'indoctrination' they receive to not talk about 'their' cases (they still feel it is their cases and not mufons since they were the ones who personally experienced it) and the dissatisfaction they seem to almost universally express about how 'their' case was 'mishandled' (their words).
Something has really gone south and it is not good for anyone wishing to solve the UFO mystery. Fortunately mufon is not the only store in town as much as they arrogantly claim they are. Most in mufon are well meaning wonderful people and believe they are dedicated to helping 'humanity', but the closed secret society of the mufon BOD clearly have other purposes which have become twisted and their purposes dark. Leading this perversion of a once noble organization is Marie Malzahn.
Everything I have heard, read and from working with him in the past - new ID Mr. David MacDonald indicates he is a well intentioned gentleman. He has even done a number of important investigations personally. He is an aviator/pilot. It is hoped the new mufon ID won't be the puppet like the previous ID and can start by appropriately restoring public and professional credibility by sacking Malzahn and those who groomed and placed her where she present is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 9:42:13 GMT -6
It appears that the founder Walt Andrus had a system of democracy set up and thats how he originally intended for Mufon to operate but it all changed when article 8 was amended back in 1982 by the BOD,,,sad . As for the Star Team agreement app. I wouldn't have signed it either,,,especially not knowing who the 3rd parties were .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 12:18:54 GMT -6
I think Mufon became too much of a political organization and as does happen with most organizations, power becomes the issue. I'm not sure that will ever change. I do wish her all luck though
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Post by led7zepp on May 1, 2012 19:55:13 GMT -6
I hadn't been on the older MUFON forums in a very long time, so it was horrible to return to them and see all of the old posts and people gone. Good thing I messaged Spotless38 who sent me here.
For me, MUFON has all the right ideas. They're taking research of a somewhat lesser recognized theory and making it professional. That's key in gaining respect and it's key in establishing a base to try and get more people to think seriously about the subject.
As for how they may becoming too much of a political organization, i know not much of. I sort of thrived in their forums and did much of my research from other sources.
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