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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 20:58:02 GMT -6
Hi, everybody! Tonight we will be talking with Elaine Douglass, the former MUFON State Director for Utah and founder of The Committee to Reform MUFON. I am looking forward to a great conversation.
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 21:00:50 GMT -6
Hey Morgan! You're rit on time.
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 21:02:12 GMT -6
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 21:03:30 GMT -6
Hi Elaine, Steve here
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 21:03:54 GMT -6
Thanks. The others should be here any minute. I had to go round everybody up.
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 21:05:18 GMT -6
I just read you blog on the MUFON Forum. That MUFON shut down. 10,000 members? What a great place for MUFON to recruit new members. They're so dumb.
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 21:06:09 GMT -6
Who blogs there? Sky?
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 21:06:18 GMT -6
Hi Steve. So tell me, what do you think UFOs are?
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Post by lois on Mar 11, 2011 21:07:19 GMT -6
Hello Lois here
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 21:07:41 GMT -6
Gosh, have some time? Most are natural phenomenon, many are human conventional flying objects, and a few maybe ET
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 21:07:43 GMT -6
It was a great place to recruit people. That forum was the reason why I became a member. They are missing out on a lot of potential people.
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Post by lois on Mar 11, 2011 21:08:00 GMT -6
I don't know where sansseed went
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 21:08:03 GMT -6
So Steve, is that a self-portrait, the guy in the mustard suit. I like it.
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 21:08:45 GMT -6
Hi, Shami. Glad to see you finally made it.
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Post by sansseed on Mar 11, 2011 21:09:02 GMT -6
I for one was thinking of becoming a member until it was shut down. I don't want to be a part of any organization that will take such a measure without any warning or reasoning. No matter the reasoning, it was such a power maneuver.
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Post by auntym on Mar 11, 2011 21:09:06 GMT -6
hi elaine....i'm so glad your here.... mufon broke all of our hearts, and now we all see whats happening there....i can't believe they're all dumb, thats why i think most of it is political.....well.... maybe dumb is the right word.... ;D
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Post by lois on Mar 11, 2011 21:09:49 GMT -6
Astronauts from another world
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Post by lois on Mar 11, 2011 21:11:57 GMT -6
We were all lost to one another. Just cut off like that in a instant
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 21:12:20 GMT -6
I hope it doesn't get too confusing doing it like this. We have a chat room but the conversation disappears whenever we log out of it and I would like for it to show up here on the forum.
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 21:13:12 GMT -6
Steve, I remember talking to some MUFON investigators last summer who said most of the cases they dealt with they "explained." I was an investigator for 25 years and talking to them shook my confidence. I had hardly any cases ever that I "explained." I remember one that was a forest fire. . .
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 21:13:44 GMT -6
Elaine, got a email the other day, someone had gotten a email from C Clift. Clarkson responded. It is interesting how there are to contrasting points of view in and out of mufon. Much keeping appearances in Mufon, and contrasting... views that seem to be based on experience and the reality.
The Mufon BOD are so isolated by their own secrecy and bureaucracy. The don't even seem to realize it.
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 21:15:20 GMT -6
I did some 362 cases in the CMS. Most were IFO's or unexplained. The surprising thing were there were very few hoaxes
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Post by Morgan Sierra on Mar 11, 2011 21:16:39 GMT -6
Steve, I remember talking to some MUFON investigators last summer who said most of the cases they dealt with they "explained." I was an investigator for 25 years and talking to them shook my confidence. I had hardly any cases ever that I "explained." I remember one that was a forest fire. . . It's easy to explain things if that is what their agenda is. I could "explain" everything if I wanted to but that doesn't mean the explanation would be correct.
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Post by auntym on Mar 11, 2011 21:17:39 GMT -6
elaine have you ever met (in person) clifford cliff?
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 21:17:54 GMT -6
many were camera artifacts, or ISS (International Space Station, or police helicopters. Crop dusting planes flying at night explained away a great many triangle reports in the California central valley. Crop dusting planes flying at night.
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 21:19:32 GMT -6
many were confirmed sky. I know, talked with the crop dusting pilots themselves. checked there log books, times and locations matched with the ufo reports. So I did confirm most.
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Post by sansseed on Mar 11, 2011 21:19:57 GMT -6
I haven't gone on MUFON much since the forum shutdown. Is there a way to look at their cases and the results of the investigations? I've seen the reports, but would like to look into some of the cases that have happened around my area.
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Post by elainedouglass on Mar 11, 2011 21:21:01 GMT -6
Antyum, Mufon started changing big time about 5 years ago. It got real bureaucratic, rule-bound, people started parading their rank, telling other people what to do, acting like that had authority. I actually thought it was humorous, so many people telling other people what to do. I'd been in MUFON 25 years and didn't need anyone to tell me what to do. For a long time I tried to ignore it, keep my head down, than I got fired.
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Post by Steve on Mar 11, 2011 21:22:06 GMT -6
awkward discussing mufon here. much to discuss, and seems little can be done. I just would assume a role as independent investigator... get more done that way.
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Post by auntym on Mar 11, 2011 21:23:33 GMT -6
elaine what would you like to talk about tonight: personal stories of ours, some of your cases, we love to hear the stories and we love to tell our stories....
have you ever had your own personal experience with ufos or aliens?
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